Curse

pamelf · Oct 21, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

They really needed to make more things available in the online store from the day the bonus mission pack was announced. It gives very meagre offerings for an online store.

Phoenix of War · Oct 21, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by pamelf

They really needed to make more things available in the online store from the day the bonus mission pack was announced. It gives very meagre offerings for an online store.

Yes, if there was actually something I wanted or need to buy to equal the $29 then I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's just unfair to have to buy things you don't want or need to get it.

Alex the Great · Oct 21, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20

....THIS IS A PROMOTION FOR THE ONLINE STORE QUIT WHINING

ok, lets have a promotion for the online store that dosent effect the online store....GREAT IDEA

freekedoutfish · Oct 21, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

The bonus mission pack is reward to players that use the online store. Why? It makes them more money if you do. They don't pay overhead for anything sold via the online store. So no, in that regards it's not unfair treatment... it's a reward for using a preferred method of sales. Maybe they'll make it available by other means later... I don't know.

For those who don't have credit cards (I only have a debit card, but that works. Cut up all the credit cards.) you have the option of a debit card through your bank -or- a pre-paid credit card. In addition, I know that the online store is looking into other means of payment... hopefully they pull that off soon.

Only if your over 16 and I have never heard of a pre-pid credit card and I wouldnt trust to get one. Also alot of parents dont want their children having debit cards because it can lead to over-spending and a dependancy on paying with cards.

I try to avoid using my debit card as much as possible because you run your bank credit down very fast without realising. Giving that power to a teenager isnt a good idea because they end up spending pennies on sweets and then more and more.

Its also alot more dangerious if its stolen and we all know teenagers arent excatly carefull with their belongings!

Credit cards are never a good idea either, even if it has "pre-paid infront of it". I wouldnt trust the pre-paid side because all credit cards are bad.

Forcing people to spend online and to use either a credit card or a debit card is not good. People shouldnt have to run out and get a debit card or pre-pay credit card to get just one item.

There should always be an option to buy products both online and instore.

Its not just a case of saying "oh go get yourself a debt card" or "get your mother to buy it". Not all parents are going to want to pay for an item online themselves for their child. It doesnt exactly build a huge respect for money if your parents buy everything for you.

This should be sold instore inside GWEN eventally as an extra or sold seperately in store or/and sold online for a small price like £5-£10.

Its also all well and good saying "this is an online offer, stop winging". But that then means some players have access to LURE and new weapons that others dont. I thought Anet and GWs was always about making everything easily accessed to all without any unfairness.

If this is only made available online, buy spending a certain amount during a set date, then your alienating alot of loyal customers and giving access to new content and LURE to some and not others.

Either everything should be only sold in the online store or everything should be available instore AND the online store. Not some here and some there!

And yes selling items in highstreet stores looses them money and selling online doesnt. But thats the what its like in business and you shouldnt alienate a select few of your customers just to make a bit more cash! That really doesnt show a complete lack of concideration for their customers and those who cant or dont like to purchase online for what ever reason.

If they sold them in the stores, they have the potential to sell more and make up for the loss!

KyaFeathrbow · Oct 21, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Only if your over 16 and I have never heard of a pre-pid credit card and I wouldnt trust to get one. Also alot of parents dont want their children having debit cards because it can lead to over-spending and a dependancy on paying with cards.

I try to avoid using my debit card as much as possible because you run your bank credit down very fast without realising. Giving that power to a teenager isnt a good idea because they end up spending pennies on sweets and then more and more.

Its also alot more dangerious if its stolen and we all know teenagers arent excatly carefull with their belongings!

Credit cards are never a good idea either, even if it has "pre-paid infront of it". I wouldnt trust the pre-paid side because all credit cards are bad.

Forcing people to spend online and to use either a credit card or a debit card is not good. People shouldnt have to run out and get a debit card or pre-pay credit card to get just one item.

While I agree with the majority of your points, I would like to say that pre-paid credit cards are very safe - what's bad about a card with $50 on it that can't be recharged? They're very useful for people who don't want a credit card or paypal account, but would like to buy things online.

Viruzzz · Oct 21, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Phoenix of War

Yes, if there was actually something I wanted or need to buy to equal the $29 then I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's just unfair to have to buy things you don't want or need to get it.

here is a very simple question.
Do you want the bonus mission pack? the answer to that is obviously (as proved by the existence of this thread) "yes!"
so THAT is what you're paying for, not the stuff you buy for it, you're paying for the BMP is that is what you want.

I really can not see how this is unfair. Anet is giving everybody an equal chance to get this, if you don't have a credit card, and you can't borrow one for 2 minutes from somebody you know, that really is not Anet's fault. everybody has an equal chance to get this if they want it, the way i see it.

Its the same with the box if you buy the game in a retail store, those who played online don't get the collector edition minipets, and whatever else comes with it.
or the minipets awarded for purchasing gaming magazines. those are unfair if anything, since most of them are limited to 1 or a few countries, and aren't available in all the places GW is available.
Don't take this as a complaint, i don't have access to any of those magazines, and i really don't care for the minipets, i'm just trying to put things into perspective. noone is being treated unfairly in the online store.

Loviatar · Oct 21, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

This should be sold instore inside GWEN eventally as an extra or sold seperately in store or/and sold online for a small price like £5-£10.

this will not happen as that would not only blow the purpose of the promotion it would make the people who have put their money on the line to get it say i will never use a store promotion again as i can wait a bit and get it for peanuts later.

GW2 is going to have a full online store with micro payments all over..................hair style 2 dollars for example.

get used to the online store as in GW2 it will be used to generate cash flow.

that is why NCsoft / Anet will not back down on this one as it will be used to establish a principal that a store promotion has given terms which will not change for the people that go they will cave in and i will get it later cheap.

freekedoutfish · Oct 21, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

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that is why NCsoft / Anet will not back down on this one as it will be used to establish a principal that a store promotion has given terms which will not change for the people that go they will cave in and i will get it later cheap.

How would be selling it as a stand alone update for about £5-£8 be backing down?

CHunterX · Oct 21, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Just buy GW:EN. If you bought it in a store, then it's your own fault. Debit cards work too, and if you don't have that, you are probably too young to be playing GW anyway.

EDIT: If they do end up offering it in the in-game store, I'd very much like a GW:EN Box sent to me with the extra funds that they made from me buying the expansion in the in-game store. Its the only reason I used the store instead of getting a box to put on my shelf, and if they are gonna pull their "spend x money," offer and make the BMP also purchasable from the store, then I want my box.

Knight Othin Of War · Oct 21, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

i don't really think it's unfair, i agree with others that it's a reward

and for the other people: You don't haveto have a credit card, you can use a debit card instead

isamu kurosawa · Oct 21, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Either everything should be only sold in the online store or everything should be available instore AND the online store. Not some here and some there!

Collectors editions have never been available at the in-game store and ive not seen complaints about that.

Red Sonya · Oct 21, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Lol whinning about this is like whinning to your grocery store manager that you bought 3 watermelons previously before they had the sale on watermelons present and it was a buy 3 get one free sale. You don't get to use what you paid for previously for sales people. Get over it. Spend your $30 and you get the bonus mission pak. Not fair what a laugh. It's as fair as any business practice marketing if you were foolish enough to put all your eggs in one basket then you deserve what you DON'T get.

ken71880 · Oct 21, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by gloria vander belt

me and my dad have had endless conversations about how us, poorer credit cardless people are missing out,

my opinion.

I'm sorry, I do not have a credit card either but I figured out how to get the promotion anyway. I went to King Soopers (our local grocery store) and bought a gift card and then used that gift card to purchase the Expansion pack online, that way I qualified for the set AND did not need to use an independent credit card. If you want to, you still have time.

freekedoutfish · Oct 21, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Collectors editions have never been available at the in-game store and ive not seen complaints about that.

You can get the collectors edition content as a stand alone bonus pack from the online store, thats why.

gloria vander belt · Oct 22, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by wu is me

Gloria i really don't know how ur working out that exchange rate =P.. 17 pounds is So NOT $57AUD =P.( ZOMG USD= 0.9 AUD WOOOOT xD )

its called an online currency calculator, im not shore what ur trying to prove comparing U.S dollars to AUS dollars, but ask anyone in australia the POUND is worth more(alot more) then the australian dollar!

oh yeah if A-Net has any curtosy for there consumers, they would release the Mission Bonus Pack in stores, with a price tag(to late to offer the spend so much crap),,,,,just checked pre-paid credit cards and i have to pay an editional $10 for the card itself, its like WTF

Ace2001 · Oct 22, 2007, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You can get the collectors edition content as a stand alone bonus pack from the online store, thats why.

Uh, where in the store? I've only ever seen the Gold/Game of the year edition of prophecies. I've never seen a bonus/upgrade for the special edition of factions or NF in the store. D:

Melody Cross · Oct 22, 2007, 06:30 AM // 06:30

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Originally Posted by Phoenix of War

In response to Melody Cross:
I didn't support your threads against the online store because I do not have a problem with them having the online store. I think it's a great option for people. I DO however share your opinion that there should NOT be PvP unlock packs. I think it was a hard blow on the PvE aspect giving the PvP unlock packs as an option because it lowered people participating in PvE and that is another reason they had to add heroes (among other things). However, I did not voice those feelings because it is my personal biased opinion because I enjoy PvE. I am open-minded and realize that some people do not enjoy PvE and only wanted to do PvP so the unlock packs were great for them. But the bottom line there was that they had a CHOICE to purchase it if they wanted it. They didn't have to purchase a bunch of stuff they did NOT want or need to get the PvP unlock packs like they are making us do with the Bonus Mission Pack.

If you have no problem with the online store (beyond your complaints about PvP unlock packs) then you have already conceded that Anet has every right to use it how they see fit. Anet "gave" the community PvP unlocks...if you're willing to go to the online store. w00t. Now they "gave" the PvE community EotN...and if you want the extra missions, you gotta go to the online store. If this requirement exceptable for PvPers, why should pvEers be excluded? Because they like the box?

Next time you don't like something, voice your feelings before they do it. Not after its announced. Think of this like CE aruas and dances. Lots of people want it, everyone whose got it uses but...but not everyone has it. To get special auras and dances, you had to do something for them: pay extra for the collectors edition.

To get these missions, Anet asked you to do something for them: buy in the online store.

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If they DO make it available to everyone as a purchase later, then this thread accomplished it's goal. I'm not saying it would be because of this thread (they could already have this planned), but it is the results I am trying to get other players support for so that ArenaNet/GW Staff/NCSoft takes notice.

It would also make them look like liars. I would have liked a box, but chose the BMP over cardboard and CDs. Is Anet going to recompense me when they flipflop on the release details for your benefit?

Should I start a thread about how unfair it is that I followed their request for online store support and then they changed the rules so now every one has these bonuses which were supposed to be exclusive? Would you support that thread with equal enthusiasm once you've gotten what you want?

I WANT MY BOX! GIMMIE MY BOX ANET

Sounds a little silly, yes?

GGs

isamu kurosawa · Oct 22, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You can get the collectors edition content as a stand alone bonus pack from the online store, thats why.

um, no you can't

the store offers pvp packs, campaigns, goty upgrade, pre-orders and character slots only.

and a mojority of the CE items are physical items anyway so you can't get them from the online store.

Bazompora · Oct 22, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by JaiGaia

Life isnt fair so QUIT UR [email protected]

That, sir, is the lamest excuse ever! I would suggest you don't use it ever in your court affairs.

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Originally Posted by KyaFeathrbow

I would like to say that pre-paid credit cards are very safe - what's bad about a card with $50 on it that can't be recharged? They're very useful for people who don't want a credit card or paypal account, but would like to buy things online.

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Originally Posted by ken71880

I went to King Soopers (our local grocery store) and bought a gift card and then used that gift card to purchase the Expansion pack online, that way I qualified for the set AND did not need to use an independent credit card.

There is no such thing as pre-paid credit cards in Belgium and other European mainland countries.

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Debit cards work too

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Originally Posted by Knight Othin Of War

You don't haveto have a credit card, you can use a debit card instead

Debit Cards can not be used for the online store, if you live on the European mainland (which is, if you look on the globe, the undeniably largest part of Europe).

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

if you don't have a credit card, and you can't borrow one for 2 minutes from somebody you know, that really is not Anet's fault.

How is Arenanet deciding to leave a large part of their established customers out of the deal not Arenanet's fault?

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

GW2 is going to have a full online store with micro payments all over..................hair style 2 dollars for example.

get used to the online store as in GW2 it will be used to generate cash flow.

If Arenanet wants to become an even greater player on the market, would they shrink their clientele? Because, that's what a conversion to an online distribution model will cause. It would mean they would abandon the gap in the market they grew on, leaving it open for new competition.

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Originally Posted by Melody Cross

It would also make them look like liars. I would have liked a box, but chose the BMP over cardboard and CDs.

They allready made themselves look like liars, when they came back from the promise of distributing all content also to retail-customers. In fact, releasing a "Bonus Edition" in retail-stores, after the Bonus Missions have gone live, would be fixing the injustice. Those who bought through the Online Store would technically have earlier acces.

Explodie · Oct 22, 2007, 11:09 AM // 11:09

For belgian/Dutch/German people there is something new, called Wirecard, its a virtual credit card

Check this link
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10208704